's important. since monday through today, romney kept or lost margin in one state to obama, not winning north carolina as much. it means as you look at average trends, this race isn't moving towards obama, it is moving in any direction towards romney, including in the swing states, and that trend and average is important. >> yeah, i disagree. i think it is actually stable and that's where i think the ground game everyone talks about matters most. i will tell you, women are not even, about 51, 52% for obama, he got 56%. only reason he's ahead nationally is he is doing okay with men. romney getting 51% of men, which means a small gender gap. >> dana, we will know for sure, i think that's totally wrong. president obama is losing white men by 30 plus points. he is going to -- >> talking all of it. >> he is going to get whacked by men by double digit margin. >> a huge drop. >> he could lose the election. >> see where he ends up with men, too. one of the surprising things in our poll in ohio, middle of the week, among white men, white men without college, holding obama for 43%, a lot higher than we